They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. Why is that a command level position? It means something to me. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. That could be it. Ive never liked Tilly. Tilly is justannoying. Is Tilly leaving Star Trek: Discovery? Mary Wiseman's fate - HITC Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. ;). What do you mean? Tilly and Me - Star Trek If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Hes been very creative in using callbacks and interweaving eras in his own work. After his first episode or two, I was done with Barclay and was frustrated when he came back, and especially when he showed up on Voyager. She wears 36D bra size and weighs 147 pounds. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. Did Star Trek: Discovery Just Lay The Groundwork For A New Spinoff? I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. (80's for ya) This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. But I did not watch DIS S4 either. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. Im glad we are finally seeing it. Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. As an actor of 20 years myself I can say for SMG that her acting ability is affected by her accent and delivery due to her accent . STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. All are Trek! should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). That was an awfully fast turnaround. . Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? Tilly's Discovery Season 4 Exit & Season 5 Future Explained You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Mary Wiseman Talks Curvy Killy On 'Star Trek: Discovery'; Kate Mulgrew I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! I have to agree. That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. Acceptance? What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. And we saw the results of all that. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. Tilly is Trekdom. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. 42 comments so far. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. I realized that unless I wanted to deal with health issues like hypertension, diabetes and other medical ailments, I would have to eat less and less as I got older and older. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. Trolls that bodyshame others are a lower life form. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Yes, The Expanse. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. Im not counting on it. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me. From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. Thats the thing about DSC. It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. | March 22, 2022 | They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. Xanadu? Not Mary Wisemans fault; the writers fault. It doesnt matter either way but with so much Voyager mythology created in those novels, it would be cool to see some of it translated on this show! However, even if the Academy series moves forward, it likely wouldnt go into production in 2022 or even 2023, leaving plenty of time for Tilly to appear in season five of Discovery. But the characters are pitch perfect. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. Is Tilly Pregnant in Real Life? Star Trek Cast's Weight Gain Story But its the elephant we have in the room, these days. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. Jerks. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. 108 comments so far. Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. Makes sense. And the only family she has is on that ship. The doctor was usually the therapist. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . I think the ship can handle a little chonk. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . Do I want to be Sisko or Picard or Archer then most likely yes. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. Right!? I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. My best advice is to give some of the Litverse books a try and decide for yourself which writers appeal to you. And so she will be part of this universe and this world for many years to come. Sisko on the other hand. And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. American actress Mary Wiseman was born on July 30, 1985. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. Body shaming is wrong and immature. Its sci-fi, brah. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. I love Tilly. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. Learning? That is assuming the this Starfleet Academy show is set in the 32nd century. Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. Where are they!? No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. I also know hes basically your favorite Trek author. Mary Wiseman told Forbes, It was tricky, but it was a really, really fun and satisfying challenge.. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. Tillys a fantastic character. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. Although the last TNG with Trois mom wasnt terrible. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back., I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. Shes not going anywhere. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. What accent? Ive re-learned through life experiences how to stop and smell the roses again you might say, among other things. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. Tillys character arc was mishandled once they realized Mary Wiseman was cast (Marys a decade or more older than Tilly). Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building. David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. One reason why I think people gravitated towards Trip the most on Enterprise was that the combination of writing and performances created one of the most believable humans in Star Trek this side of Dr. McCoy and Chief OBrien. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. And thats a healthy outlook. He also has emotional intelligence. Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. Episodes will be. However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. The future doesnt have a preferred accent. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. Shes a geeky, nerdy character, so wonderfully over the top, like so many of us in the fandom. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. actor requirements for shows/movies ridiculous? - Page 2 Star Trek: Discovery | Tilly Chooses To Live | Paramount+ I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. Episodes will be. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. She isnt back on Discovery. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history What do you think it looks like? That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. Mary Wiseman: That that could be a very powerful person in the Mirror Universe. Thats undeniable. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. Why is Tilly fatter than others? : r/StarTrekDiscovery - reddit My point is, a lot of the shamers are probably ashamed of themselves for being overweight and project it onto others. I tried watching Star Trek Discovery but can't anymore. I find it to be Right? Although they didnt really use secondary characters wellthey still dont. And I felt that was ridiculous. I agree with you on principle as far at this being fine on a fictional Star Trek show. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Tilly is the most human member of the crew. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . This was to reveal the true intents and emotions of the players in each plot, which highlights the role they play in momentous choices in high-stake situations. Overcome her issues. Probably some admirals cousin. It was so fun. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. I dont think Tilly is ruined. I see other people mentioning the books on Reddit and Youtube because of the new show obviously. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? 'Star Trek: Discovery': Mary Wiseman on Tilly's Big Career Decision Have to disagree. Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. BTW, I know this is waaaaaay off topic, but since you are the literary Trek lover on this site and keep up with a lot of the books, do you think Prodigy is going to use some of Kirsten Beyers Full Circle Voyager story lines? Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. I dont understand this at all. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. IMHO, if she usually eats well, trains and commits to staying healthy, then life can be a lot of fun leading an active adventurous life while still enjoying food and fine dining and it is irrelevant what people say about her looks. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). As far as science fiction most Trek shows have normal looking ppl. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you I agree, in fairness Barclay was relatable in many ways, socially awkward but not too overplayed. I will have to go check it out. The accent is too colloquial. She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. Mary Wiseman (actress) - Wikipedia Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose.
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