xV#+D7xEouj|_\ctk--[ne5a|N}x^. Lets go one step further and use the TrackMan Combine data to see what kind of proximity to hole the AMA will be able to achieve at the various approach distances. I guess what Im saying is if you dont hit the ball straight consistently and you dont make good, clean contact consistently, it would be silly to focus on things like swing speed/distance. I think you wish you hit it further. The calculated distances for the approach shot are based on actual driver data and optimized driver data for the AMA is also listed. Justin is that really you?? Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. TrackMan - Have a look at Justin Thomas' swing and | Facebook <>
Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. [/color] Im wondering if there are outliers here?. And when it comes to how far Tiger Woods, arguably the greatest iron player of all time, hits his irons? [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Average Distance - 302 yards[/background][/size][/color] I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. This is something Im finding out at a 14 handicap. I think it would be awesome to see if any of the numbers change due to the new developments. Fan Mail Justin Thomas [Note If you are interested in what drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players are using check out the in-depth analysis we have done here.]. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. [quote name='Hamish777' timestamp='1364356541' post='6704153'] How to gain more distance without swinging faster? [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] Before when I opened the club face I presented too much leading edge, but due to the high bounce and shape with the M grind this doesnt happen. Knowing tee shot distances and iron distances helps with that. I ultimately decided on the Tour AD DI 6X as a better choice. This demonstrates that without changing technique and only changing strategy, the AMA can improve their performance. This is the site where we share everything we've learned. My taylermade aero burner average distance is 330 yards on a good day 364 yards. TaylorMade Stealth+ 8 w/ PX Handcrafted Prototype EvenFlow Black 65 6.5, TaylorMade SIM ROCKET 14.5 w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 18 Tour Issue w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 3-19 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 4-22 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, Srixon ZX7 6-AW w/ Nippon Modus Tour125 Stiff I actually feel I get more out irons than I do the woods. Overall I cant fault these wedges for an elite player as we are aware of the slight differences of feel at strike, flight and contact with the ground. 6 Iron Trackman Data - What am I missing? Too delofted? But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. [/quote] More photos from the event here. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Distance to Apex 195.9 Imagine being on the practice ground with Justin Thomas or Nelly Korda week in week out. There are three finishes available in SM9: Tour Chrome (matte), Brushed Steel (shiny) and Jet Black (matte). This course setup for the AMA is assuming a perfectly optimal drive by the golfer so in theory 395 yards would be a maximum length for the AMA based on 50% GIR. Apex Height 112' 11" The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. SM5 53, 59 Again, I would certainly encourage you to get fitted for these due to the variations on offer and especially get fitted on grass as a mat does not give any useful feedback on interaction needed for bounce and grind. Justin Thomas Why gather data from an elite course where people line up to play when that is far from representative of what most people are doing? Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. But mostly, when playing for the money, they dont. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. [quote name='J.W.' I stressed this to my fitter - make sure you talk to them about your golf as they are only seeing a small sample of your game. Length is nothing. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018. While it would be easy to quietly continue his good deeds, the time is right to establish a foundation that can partner with others to positively impact countless philanthropic organizations and communities, and deliver even more good in the world. Playing golf as early as two-years-old, Justin learned all aspects of the game. Dear friend, do anyone here user Taylormade RSI 1 Irons. The average USGA handicap for male golfers has been between 14.0 and 15.0 since 2005. Honestly many guys in this small % sort of make every other golfer feel like that . Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster. Little higher launch, still low spin into the wind, and much easier to swing day in and day out. Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018 - TrackMan Titleist 712 CB 4-9, MB PW KBS Tour (HS1X) Theyre familiar and consistent, you wont see Bob Vokey ever designing a wedge with a high toe or full face of grooves. Shafts:KBS Tour 125 S+, Putter: TaylorMade Spider GT Now that you guys have more and more data from the combine tests are you going to adjust the hcap chart. Justin Thomas and Excel Sports Management are not responsible for lost, stolen or damaged items. [/quote] The following graph shows the distribution of AMA Driver club speeds. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. Ha, okay. How Far Should You Hit a Driver? A look at Brooks Koepkas yardage book below gives us a great insight into this and highlights how many types of shots pros can play with their irons. Imagine throwing darts as the commentary teams say on television. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. [/quote] The challenge is, improving your distance is a slow and arduous process. it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. WebSee how The Honda Classic Justin Thomas Trackman numbers look https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/ [/color] timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. The driver is almost always the most talked about golf club in everyone's bag. If length was a determing factor for professional status then we'd have the Wedge players tour and not the Long Drivers tour. Grip: SuperStroke Traxion Flatso 1.0. Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. They hit a 3-wood an average carry distance of 249 yds, a 5-wood 235 yds and 3-hybrids 230 yds. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? Its Not About the Equipment. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. I don't measure my driver distance either. [quote name='J.W.' How can that be true. Sorry for the ramble. Shaft: Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec Blue 7 X, 3-wood: Callaway Rogue ST Max (15 degrees) Whatever helps you sleep at night my friend. I appreciate that. Does Trackman update this data each year? Jon has proven that he is able to compete at the [/quote] However, the vast majority of the time I spend with my students that would fall into the AMA category is spent on working out the kinks in their swing (to help them hit straighter shots more consistently) and helping them with better contact with the golf ball. Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! For more If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. By funding programming and fulfilling requests of those in need, they are committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. Jordan Spieth whats in the bag accurate as of the Presidents Cup. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Launch Angle - 11*[/background][/size][/color] Display as a link instead, But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. Length is nothing. Shaft:Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4-5), TaylorMade P7MC (6-PW) [/quote] That's what I think. Shafts: Nippon N.S. 2 vs 3 vs 4 Hybrid Distances, How Far Should I Hit My Irons? The next table uses the approach distances from the previous and calculates the proximity to hole. I should be getting more distance on this club head speed right? it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. Distance is great. Mail at your own risk to: Excel Sports Management The goals of the Justin Thomas Foundation reflect the altruistic aspirations of the Thomas family. Top 50 Player Breakdown, What Irons Do LPGA Players Use? [/quote] [b]Tiger Woods[/b] I am still unsure of how a higher handicapper can benefit as much other than having higher bounce in a wedge. The 56 to 62 grooves are wider and shallower for chipping and lob shots. It's good for some laughs. Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: I almost just quit playing golf because when I started 4 years ago I was playing golf with two people most of the time that were in the 1% of AMAs . The respective games the AMA and professional golfers play today are two entirely separate entities and should be treated as such. Before it is assumed that the AMA should simply club up, actual distances with each club should be determined. Its unrealistic for most amateurs to break 100 on courses that share the aforementioned conditions, which is what a lot of the courses of today present. As we can again see from Brooks Koepkas yardage book above he has 5 different yardages listed for each of his specialist wedges which highlights just how much distance control the best golfers in the world can exert with their wedges. Clear editor. Is a soft ball for club head speed of 90 MPH with the driver better than a hard ball? I originally tried the 12 bounce in the 52 degree but I could feel the club stuttering in the turf at impact. In 2019, he launched the Justin Thomas Foundation, aimed to help military families, junior golf and children in need. So next time the announcer says that someone is hitting a 5 iron from 223, keep in mind that its mostly conditions, and note where the ball actually carries. 46 to 54 degree heads have narrower and deeper grooves as these are used more in fuller shots with greater swing/ball speed. I would recommend that you go visit a TrackMan certified coach, he/she will be able to help you with your club speed. My spin dropped 500 rpm on average and my flight favoured the left side. It will make it a lot easier to give a qualified answer if we have all the numbers :-). Your email address will not be published. The title would be just as useful as well. By understanding simple averages and probabilities, a golfer can choose the best club and target for each shot. Absolutely awesome numbers though. The facts are in front of us at instructors, now we must help convey your points to the masses. I think you wish you hit it further. Does that make sense? They hit 4-irons 208 yards and 5-irons 199 yards on average. I also shot 86. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. IF a smaller easier course with less hazards I will play from blue but I am having a ton of fun and scoring between 90 and 97 consistently every time with an average drive of around 220 yards. I have a terrible slice that knocks A LOT of yards off of my drive. Im sure most of them can squeeze out 10 extra yards on every club on this chart. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] For 6-irons the average is 188 yards, for 7-irons it is 177 yards and 8-irons, 9-irons and pitching wedges go 164, 153 and 141 yards respectively. When you account for factors such as wind, elevation, ground conditions and also the context in which the shot is being played Koepka, like all the pros, has a number of options for each iron shot which makes the question of how far he hits each iron a bit more complex than at first you may think. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. The strategy implemented to create 10 additional yards of carry could be from lack of knowledge regarding how far each club goes. ?,
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\)hEhH-hFtL+x Impressive Combine Score by a 12 year old boy, How to maximize player performance with small changes. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] In the following table the list shows how far a selection of PGA and LPGA Tour pros hit their 3-wood, 5-wood and hybrid clubs. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ball Speed - 185 mph[/background][/size][/color] The 22 years old Jon Rahm, is one of the new upcoming stars on the European and PGA Tour. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. Im your AMA although Im trending down. Dont think they ever release that stuff. Very interesting but sort of depressing article. WebThis is Justin Thomas TrackMan Numbers How does yours Compare? Yes, the TrackMan Combine data is extremely valuable for identifying weaknesses that can be improved, but it is just as (arguably more) important for identify strengths that the golfer can play to without having to spend any additional time practicing. Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom, 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Trackman Data on PGA Tour Averages Hit It Longer [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364416375' post='6708959'] Top 100 Player Analysis, drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players, How Do Pros Hit the Ball So Far? What about this awesome drive from Dustin Johnson in Hawaii that everyone was talking about: So the drive went 433 yards. [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Smash Factor 1.475 I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. As a whole PGA pros hit their pitching wedge an average carry distance of 141 yards. [/quote] Im 65 years old. On the LPGA Tour the top pros hit their driver an average of 257.7 yards. You dont need to be depressed your swing speed is high enough to play very good golf. [/quote] A single figure golfer all of his adult life he lives in London and still enjoys playing whenever he can with friends and family. [/quote] The AMA has a reported handicap of 14 or 15. I am disabled now and dont play at all but i had a spinal fusion and two rods put in my back when i was a teenager. 3-irons average 217 yds, 4-irons 208 yds, 5-irons 199 yds, 6-irons 188 yds, 7-irons 177 yds, 8-irons 164 yds and 9-irons 153 yds. The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Elite level Trackman Golf Coaching from Expert & Award winning coaches, Scott and Jamie Howarth. The Justin Thomas Foundation positively impacts children in need, junior golf, and military families with the intent of helping all achieve their full potential. Do All Golf Balls Go the Same Distance? I once read that if all golfers had to count every stroke they took, and appropriate penalty shots, only 10 percent could legitimately break a 100. I would have guessed #1 because of the "low spin" mantra, even though the launch is a touch low. Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high Maybe for one swing he got there. People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. [/quote] Is the dispersion linear, eg at 176 yards is it the same proportion at 88 feet or more? The 12 felt good but the 8 slid through the turf and cushioned the ball off the face. Once AMA understands the likely outcomes for various shots, then he can most effectively implement course strategy for the benefit of improving his golf performance. The data has been collected through the TrackMan Combine from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world. Justin Thomas is one of the most exciting and popular golfers on the PGA TOUR. If it's a longer hole, I'll play the driver. I hit the same. Nothing feels better than a Vokey, theyre silky smooth and with the right setup just slide under the ball. STEAL THESE FROM ME! Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. They think that a drives are always over 320, which they are not not even close. Its important to turn your body to get that extra speed. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. i suggested he play white from the start and he is happy. I guess that's laughable though, right? Short hitter compared to the average WRXer The average green size at Torrey Pines South is 6,000 square feet. Crazy thing is I hit my 3 wood off the tee about 250 yards. The Fairway Woods Used by the Top 100 PGA Tour Pros, What Irons Do the Pros Use? What Determines Driver Distance? Of course touring pros are way better than everyone at all facets of the gamethat's why they're out making millions while a bunch of us have idiotic debates over the Internet. Im a 9 handicap wanting to get into the low single digits. I often feel articles such as this are skewed. [/quote] I am a 35 year old AMA at a 15. I still feel these are better players clubs for 15 handicappers or below as they are bladed heads which require you to deliver the club consistently and strike the centre of the face. Does the AMA truly know how far each of their clubs carries? Shaft: Aldila NV, Irons: Cobra Amp Forged (4-PW) I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Someone will probably come in and explain what he should do to improve those numbers.. Callaway Paradyme Tensei 1K 70 My experience suggests that this is true. By Im a 42 year old 59 and been playing golf since I was 35. Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. I recently had my swing analyzed and would like to share the results so that maybe someone could explain this in simpler terms. Dont think they ever release that stuff. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). Have a look at his numbers. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer When I watch professional events I am always taken aback by how high they hit their driver but how low they hit their wedges. It's good for some laughs. And that was 12 years ago. I didnt start playing until i was 31 and it was over by 42 yet my handicap was 12. Optimizing a golfers distance with the driver (using their existing club speed) is an alternative way to effectively shortening a golf course. Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. Assuming however the pros are hitting standard lofted pitching, gap, sand and lob wedges we found the following stock distances for how far the pros hit them. Mizuno Pro 225 5-GW PX IO Exactly, I had the same perception in mind too. It has to do with my ability. This data further confirms the need for most golfers to aim towards the center of the green on all approach shots. [/quote] Jordan Spieth WITB 2021 (May Charles Schwab Challenge), Jordan Spieth WITB: 2020 Farmers Insurance Open, Jordan Spieth winning WITB: 2022 RBC Heritage, WITB Time Machine: Jordan Spieths 2015 John Deere Classic winning WITB. I'll pass. A former tour pro told me he hit a tree branch off the tee that knocked his ball down, and it affected his average for the whole year by 15 yards. However, it is more the fact that golfers are playing courses that are too long relative to club speed and skill level. TrackMan - Did you see Justin Thomas' TrackMan numbers? . The following chart shows average handicap versus average club speed. [/quote] So much so that if I'm 220 out, a distance I can reach with a perfect 5 wood, ill hit to 50, pitch, putt, par and drive you insane. Stay up to date and receive free notifications of new posts by email. Vokey (TVD SM7 RAW 52 & SM6 RAW 58)- DG S400 2 were over 320. Physics First. Taylormade Spider X Chalk SS. Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX, Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. Thanks. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. Mike Austin Swing: When Does the Release Start? Simmer down, all. Skill Triumphs Over All! There he became one of the storied programs most decorated athletes being named Phil Mickelson Freshman of the Year, Jack Nicklaus Player of the Year, the Haskins Award Winner as the most outstanding player in collegiate and amateur golf, and capped his collegiate career by helping the Crimson Tide win their first National Championship in 2013. People that dwell on the fact that other people like to know their distances are funny. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high Full details on the new TSR2 and TSR3 here! [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Even my 4 iron ball speed max is 137 and Im getting 235 yards. Items sent in without return postage will not be returned. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. Just would be interesting to see. #:>PC"ljTTZ!@8[+D py"4]F: }X@`*0gIiF1|fv3cp{c?9EkD!j> My home course is around 6200 so I can work around not bombing it off the tee but it is perplexing to me. If a 50% greens in regulation (GIR) stat was desired for the AMA, then the approach shot would need to be approximately 140 yards. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] TEST INFO TOTAL SCORE I have the occasional outlier above 250 but thats rare. Maybe 126 or 127. a higher loft) than the actual degree loft number shown on their club. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Ever found a yardage you like? More importantly, however, Justins time on the course where his mother and father both worked taught him about responsibility, passion, ethics, camaraderie, and hard work. [/quote] Upgraded core technology takes tee-to-green performance to the next level, New face technologies provide more forgiveness and spin consistency, Designed for golfers with more moderate swing speeds, horny mature is having great time in yttaly's casting, dark haired beauty with big natural boobs" jerk off challenge, she knows how to jump up and down on thick cock, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62. Spin Rate 2,645.8 The longest player hits it 320 yards on average and the longest recorded drive in 2022 is 460 yards. As golf instruction and coaching continue to move more towards verifiable data (what the instructor/coach knows) and further away from guess and check (what the instructor/coach thinks), we expect to see more improvement in the golf community. I would guess those numbers are pretty much all-out, perfect contact, carry distances. I feel pretty confidant in saying that those aren't his stoc why you did not work that out or your friends did not suggest it I dont know. This philosophy has been a revelation to me. Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340-345. May I ask how many of them have 120 mph swing. And a good part of the reason for that is the average golfer often watches with wonder as the best players on the PGA GolfingFocus.com was created simply as a place to allow us to try and find answers to common golfing questions asked, and problems faced, by all standards of golfer. I must say to the trap draw crowd, Justin Thomas isn't hitting trap draws while winning tournaments on the PGA Tour. He doesn't have the luxury of Desired launch angle, spin rates change based It sounds like Sophie has found her new fairway wood Titleist's brand new fairway model is seriously hot, New HydraZip face provides 43% more spin in wet conditions. Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. Of course, playing shorter courses seems very obvious if you want to improve performance. Most of my longer clubs only just creep above the 200 yd mark. Please include a self-addressed envelope with prepaid postage for return. It's not the length that makes a pro. Launch Angle 11.28 Great read with invaluable data and information. I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. The pros, like the rest of us, will be hitting a driver as far as they can 99% of the time but when it comes to their 3-wood, 5-wood and hybrids they can be using those clubs off the tee and for approach shots and will not always be aiming for their maximum yardage with those clubs. GHIN reported the average male handicap at 15.3 in 2003 and 14.3 in 2012. Sure, I see guys hitting 250-300 yards, but they are far from the norm. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. This informative information was more helpful for golfers. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. They make me giddy and want to practice my short game all the time. There is nothing worse than getting the club stuck in the ground at impact. There is CG shift between lofts and there is a progressive hosel length in the wedges to balance out weight distribution.